So, it is now Jan 16th of 2025.
I have heard much of what a lot of people have said about how California is "not dealing with their wildfire problem" or "you have an entire ocean of water to deal with it."
So let's go over a few things for people who don't live in California.
Forest/Brush Management
Ever since Trump made the comment that we should go 'rake' our forests, taking what the Swedish said how they deal with their problems with wildfires in a grossly inaccurate way, much like EVERYTHING ELSE he took from people, here is the thing to know.
Many of the areas where there are these trees and brush are on mountain or hillsides that are not very easily accessed by say, heavy equipment.
Take what happen in December of 2017, the Thomas Fire (Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Fire.)
The Thomas Fire burned mostly in the mountainous area, whipped up by strong winds and burned about 281,893 acres (440 square miles).
As you see here, this was one of the largest fires for California that was hard to contain for several factors.
The brush in those areas were not the easiest to get to on the ground for heavy equipment, such as fire trucks. If fire trucks had a hard enough time to get to some of those areas, equipment to properly deal with brush and dead vegetation would also be difficult to do without a lot of man power dedicated to it.
So again, arguing about 'Proper forestry management' is ignoring the situation that areas that are mountainous or inaccessible by most means also means managing it would be difficult or nigh impossible and simply 'raking the woods' would not be that much better.
Weather Conditions
Many people have ignored something unique with regards to California, namely Santa Ana winds in the south where air from inland goes out to the ocean, often strong, dry, hot wind.
What happen in LA for the Pacific Palisades is the same as what has happened with many other wild fires in California, a fire that gets amplified by strong, hot, dry winds, blowing embers to other place and drying out vegetation to make it a possible fuel source as well.
Many of you think these things are 'easy to put out' had they had water. Except look at this picture:
This is NOT an exaggeration of how some of these fires go. Strong Santa Ana winds blowing at speeds that are close to hurricane speeds. All the water in the world can't cover dealing with embers blown all over the place short of literally submerging the area underwater.Water
People have been stupidly pointing at the Pacific Ocean to 'solve' California's water problem.
Here's the thing about the ocean people who don't live near one understands.
Its salt water.
Salt water can be used on fires, but generally, it is not the best idea to use it on areas that have vegetation.
Why?
If people bother to understand basic world history, particularly about the Romans and how they dealt with Carthage, the saying of "Salting the earth and poisoning the wells" was the tried and true method of making an area uninhabitable as "salting the earth" will make it difficult or impossible to grow things.
Now you say, "Well, it is more important to put out the fire than worry about that."
Except, again, some of those areas are MOUNTAINOUS, and those plants help those hillsides from eroding from rain at times.
Again, referencing the Thomas Fire, which BURNED a lot of the plants in the mountains, the city of Montecito had mudslides and flash floods when rain did come, all due to the fact that the plants and trees that should have been there, were gone due to the fire, which allowed the ground that would have been 'firm' there, to erode away with no roots to help hold the soil in place.
Now imagine dumping salt water to kill the plants there, and having those houses you wanted to save destroyed by some rain because there was no plants to hold the soil in place as well, because you literally killed them and the ecosystem there to prevent plants and trees from growing there.
Going back to the whole argument about how we should have 'plenty of water' from the north, here is the thing.
Fresh water is used for some of the agriculture that the is in the central valley of California as well as many of the other farms California has. Fresh water is also used to *gasp* allow people to drink, which includes people who come to visit California.
This means, water is being used, but at the same time, we can't just water everything in sight either, because again, that water has to be replenished some how.
If we are not getting regular rainy seasons like in the past, then YES, we have a water problem because the demand is higher than what some areas can get. And YES, areas that get rain but the ground can't soak it, will have issues as well.
Cloud Seeding
Now this 'genius' idea from Marjorie Taylor Greene shows why people with little to no education or basic understanding of how cloud seeding works should be considered relevant.
First off, Clouds.
Cloud seeding to cause rain does kind of require Clouds, which is generally trapped moisture in the air.
Most affected wildfire areas are generally 'clear' of said clouds.
Smoke does NOT equal 'clouds'. Smoke is fine particles of ash from things that were burned up, sometimes also carrying embers as well. And smoke does NOT have moisture, so it wouldn't do anything.
Second, there needs to be reasonable amount of moisture.
In most of these areas, the moisture or humidity levels are relative low to non-existent.
The 'drone dropping water' conspiracy
So there was a post saying there was an idea of having thousands of drones to drop water on fires that never took off.
Well, here's the thing about that idea. It wouldn't work for several reasons.
One - Most drones are designed to be 'lightweight' and will not have the most ideal means to carry water (As water does have weight, can shift around and also need a lot of it to be effective)
Two - Most drones don't handle strong weather events. Most California Wildfire events have at strong wind event, which makes flying a little difficult for even PLANES AND HELICOPTERS that are used in the effort. Drones are not going to be any more effective or useful in this situation as well.
Three - Capacity, as mentioned before, drones don't handle a lot of weight. The amount of water most fire fighting has been involved in is by a fair amount. The most carried by a Boeing 747 type is around 19,000 gallons. Others range for 800 gallons to 12,000 gallons. And even with THOSE aerial aircraft trying to dump water on fires, they can only do so much, so a thousand drones where they might not carry a gallon of water, unable to fly well under strong weather events... It won't necessarily be ANY BETTER.
Conditions for aerial water bombing
Another thing people seem to fail to understand, again, part of the reason why California has a difficult time with wildfires, is the ability to do aerial water bombing.
In order to be effective in dropping water on the affect areas, they need to fly low.
Flying too high, the water mists out and won't be effective, basically using a bottle sprayer on mist for a raging fire.
Flying low has its problems if the conditions don't permit it.
Such as trying to do it at night, chances of an aircraft making mistakes.
High wind conditions can drastically make it difficult for an aircraft to be piloted safely.
Again, this is coming from a person who doesn't fly, does not fight fires, but has live in California and inquired about these things in a calm, rational manner and these are some of the reasons it isn't as "simple" as people who have NO clue, or no understanding about this location.
So I say to all you "solution" people with regards to California wildfires...
Spend a few years in one of these areas.
Go into some of the areas that were burned at one point and see if you can actually engineer a cost effective, safe and manageable way to deal with this.
Hell, I task the actual Republican Speaker of the House, the senators and congressmen who think this is 'manageable' to actually show us Californians 'how to do it'. And if they can't, they need to sit down and shut up.